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The Opposite of Cheating Podcast
The premise of The Opposite of Cheating is that the work of teaching and learning experts can and should be applied to the goal of making cheating the exception and integrity the norm.
This podcast brings to life the voices of those experts, along with academic integrity practitioners and just genuinely nice and smart people who have something to say about teaching for integrity in the age of AI.
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Episode 56: Emily Perkins
"I need to find ways to trust them more and invite them to invest in their learning more at this point." "Are we going to be moving away from writing labs and designing more thinking labs when it comes to the classroom?" In this episode of The Opposite of Cheating Podcast, David sits down with Dr. Emily Perkins, Associate Director of the Writing Center at Le Moyne College, for a wide-ranging conversation about what happens to writing — and thinking — when AI can produce a pas
Apr 13
Episode 55: Mary Davis & Zeenath Khan
"The shift needs to be about internalizing that [ethical] responsibility within the student." "Do you want to go up and upskill and continue focusing on your learning or do you want to go down and downskill and reduce or eliminate your learning?" In this 55th episode of The Opposite of Cheating Podcast, Tricia is joined by her co-authors Mary Davis (Oxford Brookes University) and Zeneeth Khan (University of Wollongong, Dubai) to discuss their forthcoming Cambridge University
Apr 6
Episode 54: Adam Pryor
"AI risks becoming that proverbial situation where everything looks like a nail because you've got a hammer in your hand." "The arcane mechanisms of an industrial age model of education that were meant to make human beings who efficiently produced for machines doesn't exist anymore." In this 54th episode of The Opposite of Cheating Podcast, Tricia sits down with Adam Pryor, Senior Advisor for AI Strategy and Engagement at the Council of Independent Colleges, for a lively and
Mar 30
Episode 53: Carter Moulton
“We're hearing a lot about efficiency and personalization and we're not hearing about things like care, transparency, and, intention.” “Our students are being bombarded with media messages about AI and help and what does help mean? That's such a loaded term.” In this 53rd episode of The Opposite of Cheating Podcast, Tricia talks with Carter Moulton, a faculty developer at Colorado School of Mines, about going “analog” on purpose in the age of generative AI. Carter shares the
Mar 23
Episode 52: Mary-Claire Kennedy & Justin Tonra
“I am hopeful about is the the increasing degree to which I've encountered students in in this academic year who are thinking more critically about generative AI use.” “I think pessimistically this is going to take a decade to sort out to find an equilibrium of how we proceed here.” In this 52nd episode of The Opposite of Cheating Podcast, Tricia is joined by fellow "hopeful pessimists" Mary-Claire Kennedy (University of Limerick) and Justin Tonra (University of Galway), two
Mar 16
Episode 51: Lew Ludwig & Todd Zakrajsek
“We didn't ask for this, right? We didn't ask for this unregulated, unchecked technology just keep pouring on us every two weeks" “Learning is hard. Learning is work.” In the 51st episode of the podcast, Tricia reconnects with Lew Ludwig (from Episode 27) and welcomes Todd Zakrajsek to discuss their forthcoming book The Science of Learning Meets AI. Instead of spending time chasing tools, Lew and Todd talk about how instructors can ground AI use in learning science—metacognit
Mar 9
Episode 50: 1st Bookiversary Special Episode!
“People with integrity aren't perfect. They make mistakes, but the what differentiates them from other folks is that they take accountability for those mistakes and they choose to learn and grow from them.” “Also expect some of the stuff to fail miserably, right? Because nothing nothing complicated or worth doing works. the first time.” This special episode (#50) marks the first anniversary of The Opposite of Cheating (University of Oklahoma Press), published in March 2025! T
Mar 2
Episode 49: Jason Lodge
"You can't have an aha moment unless you go through a period of being stuck or struggling or confused before you get there.” “AI will help you get to the finish line, but it's not going to give you the kind of work related positive impact that you would have by going through that process yourself.” In this 49th episode of The Opposite of Cheating Podcast, David is joined by Professor Jason Lodge (University of Queensland), an educational psychologist and lead author of the Au
Feb 23
Episode 47: Ronald Lethcoe
“We would be doing a disservice to the students if we didn’t at least include AI in the conversation as an institution.” “Digital adaptability — being able to navigate this digital space that’s always changing — is the skill that’s going to be beneficial for anybody in the future.” In this 47th episode of The Opposite of Cheating Podcast, Ronald Lethcoe reflects on what it means to build AI literacy ethically, intentionally, and institutionally. As an instructional design spe
Feb 10
Episode 46: Soroush Sabbaghan
“Every time you engage with these systems, you gain something—but you also lose something.” “Human agency is your capability to make informed decisions, to act with intention, and to exercise judgment.” What happens when the red lines we draw around generative AI start to blur? In this 46th episode of The Opposite of Cheating, Dr. Soroush Sabbaghan reflects on how he’s crossed the lines he once swore he wouldn’t—assigning AI-generated readings and using AI in student feedback
Feb 2
Episode 44: Karen Costa
“I have many conflicted feelings about AI, but talking to kind, curious people seems to help.” “What does academic integrity mean when there are multi-billion dollar companies with armies of people whose job it is to make cheating irresistible?” In this deeply personal and reflective episode of The Opposite of Cheating Podcast (44), Karen Costa shares what it means to teach for integrity in asynchronous, online learning environments in the age of GenAI. With nearly two decade
Jan 19
Episode 43: Tim Fawns
“We need to be a little bit careful—if we put all our eggs in the assurance and academic integrity basket, then we’re at risk of forgetting some of the other really important parts of education.” “Some of the ways in which we deal with academic integrity actually do the opposite of cultivating integrity.” What is academic integrity in 2025—and how do we build learning environments that support it? In this 43rd episode of The Opposite of Cheating Podcast, Australian educator a
Jan 12
Episode 42: Mark Watkins
“It was the first time I was introduced to the idea of academic integrity—because I had done something.” “Assessment is broken now that AI’s here. It probably wasn’t in great shape beforehand.” In this 42nd episode of The Opposite of Cheating Podcast, Tricia speaks with Marc Watkins, Assistant Director of Academic Innovation and Lecturer of Writing & Rhetoric at the University of Mississippi, and author of the popular Substack - Rhetorica. After revealing that he learned abou
Jan 5
Episode 41: Thomas J. Tobin
“I started out as an academic integrity prescriptivist. I was the hard-nosed.” “There’s really only three main ways that we can ask students to demonstrate academic integrity: Trust, Verification, Observation.” In this 41st episode of The Opposite of Cheating Podcast, David talks with Thomas J. Tobin, an educational developer and consultant with decades of experience, to challenge the punitive paradigms that dominate academic integrity conversations. Sharing his personal tran
Dec 15, 2025
Episode 40: Emily Pitts Donahoe
"It’s not: do you have integrity or do you not. It’s: are there conditions in place that allow people to act with integrity?” “One of the things that alternative grading can do is to help shift students’ focus from getting grades and generating products to learning and engaging in a learning process.” In this episode, educational developer and writing instructor Emily Pitts Donahoe of the Center for Excellence in Teaching and Learning (CETL) of the University of Mississippi,
Dec 8, 2025
Episode 38: Maha Bali & Hoda Mostafa
"The issue I have is honestly that AI itself is a thief of ideas and doesn't really attribute where it got it from." "When you disclose, you're unpacking your thinking and you're making your thinking visible." In this 38th episode, Dr. Tricia Bertram Gallant is joined by Hoda Mostafa and Maha Bali from the Center for Learning and Teaching at the American University in Cairo (AUC). They explore how academic integrity is shaped by culture, language, and historical context, like
Nov 24, 2025
Episode 36: Cath Ellis
"Assessment and feedback inspires and assures student learning" "Formative, instant feedback, repeatable, and evaluative judgement - that's FIRE" In this 36th episode of The Opposite of Cheating Podcast, Pro Vice-Chancellor of Quality & Integrity at Western Sydney University Cath Ellis discusses the evolution of educational integrity in Australia, the role of regulatory frameworks like TEQSA, and how scandal and data paved the way for institutional change. She introduces West
Nov 10, 2025
Episode 35: Aviva Legatt
“AI is helping a lot of students to find a voice and at the same time though AI can also completely overtake the student voice.” “Critical thinking, communication, and relationship building… those are pieces of the AI puzzle that AI cannot solve on its own.” In this 35th episode of The Opposite of Cheating Podcast, David speaks with Aviva Legatt about the growing role of GenAI in higher education—from its use in admissions processes to course design, and institutional governa
Nov 3, 2025
Episode 37: Jessamyn Neuhaus & Kate Marzen
"Nobody’s brain wants to work overtime on something that seems pointless.” “Transparency full stop… you really you you cannot be too clear and transparent.” In this 37th episode of The Opposite of Cheating Podcast, David speaks with Syracuse University's Jessamyn Neuhaus (Director of the Center for Teaching & Learning Excellence) and Kate Marzen (Director of Academic Integrity) about using joy, trust, and proactive communication to reshape how academic integrity is approached
Oct 27, 2025
Episode 34: Torrey Trust
"AI can do this. Why am I asking them to do this?” "We've lost these opportunities where students fail and then learn through failure" In this 34th episode of The Opposite of Cheating Podcast, Tricia sits down with Torrey Trust, professor of learning technology at UMass Amherst, to explore how Generative AI is reshaping how students learn and how educators teach. Torrey shares insights from her popular courses on edtech and digital tools, her pioneering seminar “AI for Colleg
Oct 27, 2025
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